Ask anyone that ever worked for me, and they will tell you straight out that among the many things I'm not, topping the list of "nots" would be "detail oriented." That is in terms of things like record keeping and assorted other paperwork sorts of things. I'm wicked into the details of whatever woodworking thingy I'm into at the moment, just don't ask me if I wrote down the plans for it. I do try to keep some semblance of a record of what mat colors I used in a give framing, maybe even the dimensions of said mats. But that's pretty hit or miss, I'm afraid.
Speaking of hit or miss, truer words never spoken about dyeing fly tying materials, especially if you're gunning for the color of record for a given (especially) vintage fly. Case in point: my until-today search for the right color dye or mix of dyes to tie the mallard wings of Ira Gruber's Oriole.
I nailed the color a few years ago. Did I write down the the dye mix I used? Of course not. Nor, at soon to be 75 years young, can I remember what dyes were in the mix. But as you can see in this photo I took for an earlier blog post, I nailed it back then, at least compared to Orioles tied by none other than the fly's designer, Ira Gruber and father and son fly tying experts, the late Wallace Doak, and his son, Jerry, who now runs the W.W. Doak fly shop in Doaktown, NB (wwdoak.com ). Ira Gruber did his Atlantic salmon fishing based out of his cottage in Doaktown, too. I need to ask Jerry if he ever remembers Gruber coming in to the shop. Gruber also had guests like Preston Jennings and Charles DeFeo...wonder if they ever shopped there? But, as usual, I digress.
A flock of Orioles (see what I did there?)
I've looked for a dye formula for the wing on Facebook, Speypages, The Classic Fly Rod Forum, and likely other places I've forgotten. Gotten some good and likely suggestions, but none that had been tested and proven up to the task. Reasonable suggestions, but none with a track record. Gruber's grandson, also Ira Gruber, in his fine book, Ira Gruber's Atlantic Salmon Flies, lists the wing color as "Green Drake", as sold by the venerable British fly tying materials firm, Veniard Ltd. LOL, I wouldn't be writing this blog post if Veniard still produced their Green Drake dye, color represented here in a vintage color chart that I robbed off a post on the Classic Fly Rod Forum.
Excellent!
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DeleteLovely job Gary. I feel your pain getting there tho! Best wishes mate.
ReplyDeleteIt was a fun little journey.
DeleteThanks for Sharing the story and the files
ReplyDeleteGlad you enjoyed it, Gregg!
DeleteWrite it down, Gary!
ReplyDeletethis time I did...right here!
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ReplyDeleteYears ago I thought about dying my own feathers and hair . After reading the ingredients , as a former chemist , I decided that without the proper venting systems and respirator it was unwise to try so I sold all the dyes I had. I almost wish I had saved some to do olive feathers like the mallard for orioles and green drakes and for dry fly green drake trout flies.
I always enjoy reading your blogs.
Brian C.
LOL, Brian, I sucked so many lacquer fumes in during the '70's, that I figure a little dyeing and head cement can't do much more damage!
DeleteGary it was the cyanurates that were of concern to me.
DeleteBrian, probably a good thing I don't even know what those are!
DeleteHope you wrote down the particulars, so you can share (if with noone other than yourself! There's a good few books on dyeing, and I'm sure in the days gone by there were no synthetic acid dyes. Brian Burnett (you may have met him at the Miramichi Salmon fly Show) has a book on the use of natural dyes - angle books for availability- https://www.anglebooks.com/notes-on-the-use-of-natural-dyes-for-dyeing-dubbing-materials-by-brian-burnett-angling-monographs-series-volume-ten.html .
ReplyDeleteCould be worth a gander! I don't have a copy otherwise I'd have a peek myself.
Those natural dyes are way above my paygrade (and interest level), but thanks for the suggestion. That company produces some nice books; I have several from them.
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ReplyDeleteExcellent post as usual!
Now you know why I want to take a materials dying lesson from you!
I have a few dyes from Veniard (can't remember which ones) and several from Dharma in blue. My ultimate goal is to dye some of the multitude of gray fox I have a shade of blue somewhere between kingfisher blue and silver doctor blue and then do some silver pheasant the same shade. Years ago you may recall you dyed some PB a deep blue for me which I use in your Blue Smelt dressing.
Best regards
Jack Skelley
Blue is a great color to dye, especially on PB; so many options. You'll have to make a trip up to the Miramichi for lessons, Jack! Great excuse for a trip!
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